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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chuck & Nancy have Trump's not here big boy in a wringer. He might as well realize the wall is toast. Couple that with shutdown which is getting him a lot of heat right now, this battle is over and he lost. Hopefully, he will be smart enough not to declare a national emergency. That could be very detrimental to the country in coming years.

That's his only out! He'll declare the emergency knowing full well the courts will shut him down and then he can blame the courts and congress for no wall. And his base, like the trump supporters here, will jsfa it up! Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porkchop wrote:
STRONGERTHANDIRT wrote:
Chuck & Nancy have Trump's not here big boy in a wringer. He might as well realize the wall is toast. Couple that with shutdown which is getting him a lot of heat right now, this battle is over and he lost. Hopefully, he will be smart enough not to declare a national emergency. That could be very detrimental to the country in coming years.

That's his only out! He'll declare the emergency knowing full well the courts will shut him down and then he can blame the courts and congress for no wall. And his base, like the trump supporters here, will jsfa it up! Embarassed


Thanks for finally admitting what reasonable people already know, that the Dems will shop around for a liberal court and place an injunction on anything the POTUS does......thus re-writing the Constitution.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith Stone wrote:
Porkchop wrote:
STRONGERTHANDIRT wrote:
Chuck & Nancy have Trump's not here big boy in a wringer. He might as well realize the wall is toast. Couple that with shutdown which is getting him a lot of heat right now, this battle is over and he lost. Hopefully, he will be smart enough not to declare a national emergency. That could be very detrimental to the country in coming years.

That's his only out! He'll declare the emergency knowing full well the courts will shut him down and then he can blame the courts and congress for no wall. And his base, like the trump supporters here, will jsfa it up! Embarassed


Thanks for finally admitting what reasonable people already know, that the Dems will shop around for a liberal court and place an injunction on anything the POTUS does......thus re-writing the Constitution.


It seems the checks and balances thing has generated a lot of butt hurt to Donald and the Trumpkins. Elections have consequences.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PV=nRT wrote:
Keith Stone wrote:
Porkchop wrote:
STRONGERTHANDIRT wrote:
Chuck & Nancy have Trump's not here big boy in a wringer. He might as well realize the wall is toast. Couple that with shutdown which is getting him a lot of heat right now, this battle is over and he lost. Hopefully, he will be smart enough not to declare a national emergency. That could be very detrimental to the country in coming years.

That's his only out! He'll declare the emergency knowing full well the courts will shut him down and then he can blame the courts and congress for no wall. And his base, like the trump supporters here, will jsfa it up! Embarassed


Thanks for finally admitting what reasonable people already know, that the Dems will shop around for a liberal court and place an injunction on anything the POTUS does......thus re-writing the Constitution.


It seems the checks and balances thing has generated a lot of butt hurt to Donald and the Trumpkins. Elections have consequences.


You are finally right? Elections do have consequences....when you don't win, you throw a tantrum and make up something about Russians and this and that. That's the consequences of being a winner in today's society.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamieHall wrote:
Excavator wrote:
The new trade deal with Mexico will pay for the wall plus much more.


As an intelligent adult, you know that's not true, because it's not possible. First, the trade deal with Mexico still has to be approved by Congress, where Repubs and Dems both have criticized the deal for their own reasons -- not a good sign that it will pass without major concessions. It also still has to be approved by legislatures in Canada and Mexico.

If all that happens in the next few months, it wouldn't go into effect until 2020 -- or later. And if it does go into effect, the money saved does not go to the US Treasury. Yet this president wants to take $5.7 billion of taxpayer money from the US Treasury to pay for his wall.

So in no way, shape or form would a new trade deal possibly pay for ANY government project. It's not realistically possible, no matter how many times Trump keeps saying it.



You ignored the other part. "It's okay to give foreign nations $155B for their security, but we can't spend $5B for our own security"? I'm waiting.

BTW, do you know how much illegal immigration, and drugs coming across the border cost the USA each year? Not to even mention human trafficking. In time, the wall will more than pay for itself.

As an intelligent adult, you know this is all about hating Trump, and doing ANYTHING to make sure he fails.

Correcting the trade imbalance certainly will pay for security at the southern border. https://www.thebalance.com/trade-deficit-by-county-3306264
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PV=nRT wrote:
Keith Stone wrote:
Porkchop wrote:
STRONGERTHANDIRT wrote:
Chuck & Nancy have Trump's not here big boy in a wringer. He might as well realize the wall is toast. Couple that with shutdown which is getting him a lot of heat right now, this battle is over and he lost. Hopefully, he will be smart enough not to declare a national emergency. That could be very detrimental to the country in coming years.

That's his only out! He'll declare the emergency knowing full well the courts will shut him down and then he can blame the courts and congress for no wall. And his base, like the trump supporters here, will jsfa it up! Embarassed


Thanks for finally admitting what reasonable people already know, that the Dems will shop around for a liberal court and place an injunction on anything the POTUS does......thus re-writing the Constitution.


It seems the checks and balances thing has generated a lot of butt hurt to Donald and the Trumpkins. Elections have consequences.


How can you have checks and balances when democrats are living it up in Puerto Rico, meeting with lobbyist?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If this wall has been such a priority for you people, why didn't Don and his dipshites get it done when he had a Republican House and Republican Senate for two years? He thinks libs are going to help him when his own party wouldn't?

Seriously, you folks elected the worst negotiator and possibly the dumbest president we've had in modern history. The "very stable genius" is truly a buffoon.


That's just irrational hatred, but yes, should have already ben done, I'm not about to argue that. The democrats say the $5B is a waste of money. Look at all the other waste they were in favor of.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/22/7-Unbelievable-Ways-Government-Wasted-Your-Money-2015
http://conservativefighters.com/news/ben-carson-exposes-500-billion-government-wasteguess-whos-going/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/5/golden-hammer-gao-reports-federal-government-waste/

So, when Pelosi, and Schumer say the $5.7B is a "waste" of money, do you think they're being authentic with that argument, or is it about something else?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith Stone wrote:
PV=nRT wrote:
Keith Stone wrote:
Porkchop wrote:
STRONGERTHANDIRT wrote:
Chuck & Nancy have Trump's not here big boy in a wringer. He might as well realize the wall is toast. Couple that with shutdown which is getting him a lot of heat right now, this battle is over and he lost. Hopefully, he will be smart enough not to declare a national emergency. That could be very detrimental to the country in coming years.

That's his only out! He'll declare the emergency knowing full well the courts will shut him down and then he can blame the courts and congress for no wall. And his base, like the trump supporters here, will jsfa it up! Embarassed


Thanks for finally admitting what reasonable people already know, that the Dems will shop around for a liberal court and place an injunction on anything the POTUS does......thus re-writing the Constitution.


It seems the checks and balances thing has generated a lot of butt hurt to Donald and the Trumpkins. Elections have consequences.


You are finally right? Elections do have consequences....when you don't win, you throw a tantrum and make up something about terrorists and the southern border. That's the consequences of being a winner in today's society.


FIFY. And Trump made sure the midterms were all about the southern border, and he got his @ss kicked.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excavator wrote:
JamieHall wrote:
Excavator wrote:
The new trade deal with Mexico will pay for the wall plus much more.


As an intelligent adult, you know that's not true, because it's not possible. First, the trade deal with Mexico still has to be approved by Congress, where Repubs and Dems both have criticized the deal for their own reasons -- not a good sign that it will pass without major concessions. It also still has to be approved by legislatures in Canada and Mexico.

If all that happens in the next few months, it wouldn't go into effect until 2020 -- or later. And if it does go into effect, the money saved does not go to the US Treasury. Yet this president wants to take $5.7 billion of taxpayer money from the US Treasury to pay for his wall.

So in no way, shape or form would a new trade deal possibly pay for ANY government project. It's not realistically possible, no matter how many times Trump keeps saying it.



You ignored the other part. "It's okay to give foreign nations $155B for their security, but we can't spend $5B for our own security"? I'm waiting.

BTW, do you know how much illegal immigration, and drugs coming across the border cost the USA each year? Not to even mention human trafficking. In time, the wall will more than pay for itself.

As an intelligent adult, you know this is all about hating Trump, and doing ANYTHING to make sure he fails.

Correcting the trade imbalance certainly will pay for security at the southern border. https://www.thebalance.com/trade-deficit-by-county-3306264


Do you have the data to support that all these drugs and human trafficking is coming across non-walled sections of the border versus legal checkpoints? I'll wait.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excavator wrote:
JamieHall wrote:
If this wall has been such a priority for you people, why didn't Don and his dipshites get it done when he had a Republican House and Republican Senate for two years? He thinks libs are going to help him when his own party wouldn't?

Seriously, you folks elected the worst negotiator and possibly the dumbest president we've had in modern history. The "very stable genius" is truly a buffoon.


That's just irrational hatred, but yes, should have already ben done, I'm not about to argue that. The democrats say the $5B is a waste of money. Look at all the other waste they were in favor of.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/22/7-Unbelievable-Ways-Government-Wasted-Your-Money-2015
http://conservativefighters.com/news/ben-carson-exposes-500-billion-government-wasteguess-whos-going/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/5/golden-hammer-gao-reports-federal-government-waste/

So, when Pelosi, and Schumer say the $5.7B is a "waste" of money, do you think they're being authentic with that argument, or is it about something else?


We were told Mexico was gonna pay for it, via a one time payment of 5 to 10 billion dollars. Was that a lie?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PV=nRT wrote:
Keith Stone wrote:
PV=nRT wrote:
Keith Stone wrote:
Porkchop wrote:
STRONGERTHANDIRT wrote:
Chuck & Nancy have Trump's not here big boy in a wringer. He might as well realize the wall is toast. Couple that with shutdown which is getting him a lot of heat right now, this battle is over and he lost. Hopefully, he will be smart enough not to declare a national emergency. That could be very detrimental to the country in coming years.

That's his only out! He'll declare the emergency knowing full well the courts will shut him down and then he can blame the courts and congress for no wall. And his base, like the trump supporters here, will jsfa it up! Embarassed


Thanks for finally admitting what reasonable people already know, that the Dems will shop around for a liberal court and place an injunction on anything the POTUS does......thus re-writing the Constitution.


It seems the checks and balances thing has generated a lot of butt hurt to Donald and the Trumpkins. Elections have consequences.


You are finally right? Elections do have consequences....when you don't win, you throw a tantrum and make up something about terrorists and the southern border. That's the consequences of being a winner in today's society.


FIFY. And Trump made sure the midterms were all about the southern border, and he got his @ss kicked.


I wouldn't say it was a butt kicking.....the Republicans gained seats in the Senate...wanna explain that? If memory serves me correct Obama lost 60 plus seats in the mid-terms.....this cycle I think its 40 or so, but who cares right?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PV=nRT wrote:
Excavator wrote:
JamieHall wrote:
Excavator wrote:
The new trade deal with Mexico will pay for the wall plus much more.


As an intelligent adult, you know that's not true, because it's not possible. First, the trade deal with Mexico still has to be approved by Congress, where Repubs and Dems both have criticized the deal for their own reasons -- not a good sign that it will pass without major concessions. It also still has to be approved by legislatures in Canada and Mexico.

If all that happens in the next few months, it wouldn't go into effect until 2020 -- or later. And if it does go into effect, the money saved does not go to the US Treasury. Yet this president wants to take $5.7 billion of taxpayer money from the US Treasury to pay for his wall.

So in no way, shape or form would a new trade deal possibly pay for ANY government project. It's not realistically possible, no matter how many times Trump keeps saying it.



You ignored the other part. "It's okay to give foreign nations $155B for their security, but we can't spend $5B for our own security"? I'm waiting.

BTW, do you know how much illegal immigration, and drugs coming across the border cost the USA each year? Not to even mention human trafficking. In time, the wall will more than pay for itself.

As an intelligent adult, you know this is all about hating Trump, and doing ANYTHING to make sure he fails.

Correcting the trade imbalance certainly will pay for security at the southern border. https://www.thebalance.com/trade-deficit-by-county-3306264


Do you have the data to support that all these drugs and human trafficking is coming across non-walled sections of the border versus legal checkpoints? I'll wait.


How long did you spend working at the border? As you always say....I'll wait.
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Keith Stone wrote:
PV=nRT wrote:
Keith Stone wrote:
PV=nRT wrote:
Keith Stone wrote:
Porkchop wrote:
STRONGERTHANDIRT wrote:
Chuck & Nancy have Trump's not here big boy in a wringer. He might as well realize the wall is toast. Couple that with shutdown which is getting him a lot of heat right now, this battle is over and he lost. Hopefully, he will be smart enough not to declare a national emergency. That could be very detrimental to the country in coming years.

That's his only out! He'll declare the emergency knowing full well the courts will shut him down and then he can blame the courts and congress for no wall. And his base, like the trump supporters here, will jsfa it up! Embarassed


Thanks for finally admitting what reasonable people already know, that the Dems will shop around for a liberal court and place an injunction on anything the POTUS does......thus re-writing the Constitution.


It seems the checks and balances thing has generated a lot of butt hurt to Donald and the Trumpkins. Elections have consequences.


You are finally right? Elections do have consequences....when you don't win, you throw a tantrum and make up something about terrorists and the southern border. That's the consequences of being a winner in today's society.


FIFY. And Trump made sure the midterms were all about the southern border, and he got his @ss kicked.


I wouldn't say it was a butt kicking.....the Republicans gained seats in the Senate...wanna explain that? If memory serves me correct Obama lost 60 plus seats in the mid-terms.....this cycle I think its 40 or so, but who cares right?


I think only 9 Republican senate seats were up versus 24 for democrats. But you knew this. Trump made sure that the midterms were gonna be about the caravans, and he got blasted. Sorry
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith Stone wrote:
PV=nRT wrote:
Excavator wrote:
JamieHall wrote:
Excavator wrote:
The new trade deal with Mexico will pay for the wall plus much more.


As an intelligent adult, you know that's not true, because it's not possible. First, the trade deal with Mexico still has to be approved by Congress, where Repubs and Dems both have criticized the deal for their own reasons -- not a good sign that it will pass without major concessions. It also still has to be approved by legislatures in Canada and Mexico.

If all that happens in the next few months, it wouldn't go into effect until 2020 -- or later. And if it does go into effect, the money saved does not go to the US Treasury. Yet this president wants to take $5.7 billion of taxpayer money from the US Treasury to pay for his wall.

So in no way, shape or form would a new trade deal possibly pay for ANY government project. It's not realistically possible, no matter how many times Trump keeps saying it.



You ignored the other part. "It's okay to give foreign nations $155B for their security, but we can't spend $5B for our own security"? I'm waiting.

BTW, do you know how much illegal immigration, and drugs coming across the border cost the USA each year? Not to even mention human trafficking. In time, the wall will more than pay for itself.

As an intelligent adult, you know this is all about hating Trump, and doing ANYTHING to make sure he fails.

Correcting the trade imbalance certainly will pay for security at the southern border. https://www.thebalance.com/trade-deficit-by-county-3306264


Do you have the data to support that all these drugs and human trafficking is coming across non-walled sections of the border versus legal checkpoints? I'll wait.


How long did you spend working at the border? As you always say....I'll wait.


I guess this means you don't have any numbers to back up your claims.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PV=nRT wrote:
Excavator wrote:
JamieHall wrote:
If this wall has been such a priority for you people, why didn't Don and his dipshites get it done when he had a Republican House and Republican Senate for two years? He thinks libs are going to help him when his own party wouldn't?

Seriously, you folks elected the worst negotiator and possibly the dumbest president we've had in modern history. The "very stable genius" is truly a buffoon.


That's just irrational hatred, but yes, should have already ben done, I'm not about to argue that. The democrats say the $5B is a waste of money. Look at all the other waste they were in favor of.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/22/7-Unbelievable-Ways-Government-Wasted-Your-Money-2015
http://conservativefighters.com/news/ben-carson-exposes-500-billion-government-wasteguess-whos-going/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/5/golden-hammer-gao-reports-federal-government-waste/

So, when Pelosi, and Schumer say the $5.7B is a "waste" of money, do you think they're being authentic with that argument, or is it about something else?


We were told Mexico was gonna pay for it, via a one time payment of 5 to 10 billion dollars. Was that a lie?


You always answer questions with questions. Answer my question honestly, then I will answer your question. Fair?
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